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# 67) Q:  I believe God is Logic. If a religion is not logical, then it is not from God. In my research of how  religions are changing in the modern world, more scientists are moving toward either the "religion of quantum physics", or the "restored religion of Zoroastrianism" for this reason. God is Logic...and it is logical, that God is good, and created the universe for us. Religions in their present form have caused nothing but war, superstition, avarice, hate, and oppression. Furthermore, it is bad choices, based on improper and incomplete education, and the inability to discern or process logic that causes destructive consequences, and the lack of self control.

I have come to the conclusion, that all religions cause wars, or are merely "shells" for politcal groups, who use Abrahamic religions in the name of God, Allah, Jesus, and other such superimposed mythologies such as Voo Doo of Santaria etc. to control people. Religions worst sins are that if one does not join these religio-politco-fascist groups, one is threatened with everything from being killed or jailed depending on the country the particular religion belongs to, or the religion's particular "god" will send your soul to eternal hell for little more than a "thought crime". Therefore, these mythological "gods" are used to blackmail you into submitting to their religion. Furthermore, the "image" of these particular "gods" match the personality and psychology of their human creators.

My problem is that after 4,000 years of religious blackmail, thuggery, and false promises...in that if an individual paid tighes, or engaged in such and such perfect "rituals", it has become glaringly clear that these various "gods" did not pay up or match the promises of their human creators and illustrators...The question then is, why and how did these various religions, sects, politico-religious-state organizations continue? It seems to me human beings would be very tired of them and a massive world revolt would have occurred? On a personal level, it is obvious that the answer came to Zarathrusta 3700 years ago. Over the last 30 years of my life, although I was raised as a Christian, and as a Medical Anthropologist, I have by observation and in-depth study came to the same conclusions. God is Logic. You live by free choice, and by your consequences.

A: Yes you are right, but to your question as to why people keep on believing the same tired old delusions. The answer is multiple. The tired delusions are re-interpreted into more palatable Pablium. Some insist on believing what their fathers believe and do not examine just what it is they are placing their faith on. Others, are just turned off. Probably the majority of Catholics and Muslims are only nominally believers and then you have the ones who just give up on religion all together.

You must understand that we are made to seek out God. It is in our make up, we are wired that way, just as we are wired to be curious. It is this aspect of our nature, that religious manipulators and god-traders use to their benefit and to enslave the masses.

# 68) Q: I am so happy to find this.  I will certainly be looking for more  Zoroastrainism. It is so refreshing to hear of a way that promotes self growth.  I had come to this conclusion myself, after many years of searching through different religions, history and science.  I am not interested in argueing my point any more, I am happy with the knowledge and realisations I have come to.  I thank you with with all my heart, I will direct as many people I come across that are interested to your site. I am grateful for the informaion and clarification of Zoroastrianism.

A: Thanks for your visit and comments. Zarathushtra was an original thinker with deep insights asto the rality of the Human condition and the nature of the Cosmos and its Blessed Creator. We merel;y attempt to bring his meessage to humankind as clearly as possible

# 69) Q: Could you clearly define the differences between this Z religion and the other monthesic ones....to me the only difference would be the need for laws...so far Zoroastrainism seems to follow the lines I have set for myself based on what I learned about people and God from he bible, and some of the Quaran, and more importantly my father who grew up catholic and protestant (two meaning less boundaries) speaking of boundaries, doesn't the god told of in genesis continually break boundaries? rather people interpernt the boundaries differently, then this God helps someone  to somehow clarify them.....the god I have believed in has never said not to make ones choices, and this was before I had even heard of this Zoro thing....what is funny is I haven't even finished High School...hah, anyway you say Zoro- is the oldest religion, but is that not just a voice of pride one used to needlessly separate...it seems you just want to prove someone wrong...names don't matter...because languange is a creation of man...(I don't mean to say language is bad...sometime when people say "man" they say Boo! lol ) keep you mind and hands clean...simple, try to advance forward...supposedly the teachings of Zoro...right? in other words, I just feel compelled to tell you this, don't worry about the name of the farmer, because more than likely you will learn of an older farmer who taught the one who you thought was the first. whatever....MCOOHCX

A: Mazda does not condemn any one to damnation, S/He has not made a Hell , S/He has no rival, S/He offers to be our partner and soul mate, not a King to us servants. Mazda does not legislate Do's and Dont's for every day life. There is no 'dou shall not drink wine' , no women must stay quiet in the Church, no women will be saved by having children, no do a pilgrimage, or go to hell.

Mortals are not sinners, rebels or depraved. They are immature beings seeking to grow and being taught through the consequences of their acts. Mazda is not a magician and he does not break His laws. He cannot, because they are an Aspect of His nature. He is the god of the possible who is not Omnipotent, simply because nothing can be all powerful. The All powerful could create an entity more powerful than he? If he cannot, then He is not all powerful, if he can, then the moment he does, he ceases to be all powerful and if he can, but refuses to do it, then He is limiting himself and a God with limits cannot be all powerful.

Rather than All Powerful Mazda is the God of the Possible, that does everything through His laws. The God of the Quran and the Bible says that he has given man choices, but what are the possible choices he can make? In Islam he submits totally, or goes to Hell. In Judaism he obeys the Torah or,
depending on the sect, is damned, destroyed or goes to Sheol. In Christianity he believes or goes to Hell.  Now, believing  in an invisible god that, having all power, could manifest itself, but does not, is not easy; so why make believe, or burn the option?

These are not true choices they are the same choice we refuse to give our convicted murderers, for if you gave them a choice between execution or freedom, they would all make it. It's like putting a gun to your head and saying believe in me and be saved,  but if you do not, I'll blow your brains out! That is not a true choice.

The age of Zarathushtrianism is a verifiable fact and that is a factual statement. It has nothing to do with proving any one wrong . We are not the ones who say believe or burn, submit or burn.  Zarathushtra simply tells you to use your mind, listen, think about it and choose. The choice does not
have to be positive or negative, it can also be not to make a choice. There is no Hell, other than the one in your mind. God is Most Wise and has already set up the Cosmos, so that each action has a retribution over the long run, good for good, wrong for wrong. It's up to us to choose that  which
gives us good and right results. If we learn, we move on, if we do not, then we keep on inflicting wrong unto ourselves.

# 70) R:in question #38 the positon of Zarathushtra is asked upon Homosexuality, not to be judgemental or anything, but in order for life to go on i.e. reproduction , would God be in favor of manXwoman rather than ManXman and so on?

A: First God, through Asha, has a law of the mean, so there will never be a danger of extinction through Homosexualit. That is, there will always be enough Heterosexuals. Besides, Homosexuals can today have children through in Vitrio. Once again it is not what a person does in a bed room with a consenting adult that interests Mazda Ahura, but whether he or she follows Asha and fights wrongfulness through Good thoughts, words and deeds.

# 71) Q: According to your doctrines and beliefs, if I continue to live out the rest of my life as a devoted christian, doing all I can to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, what will happen to me when i die? Will the outcome for my soul be a positive one or a negative one? It seems the Zoroastrianist treachings on life after death are vague, so I was wondering what you believe will happen to me when I die if I continue from now to the day I die as a devoted christian.

A: It depends, because if you truly surrender your soul and wait on the Lord and all that part of the doctrine, then you won't be seeking to put away wrong,  both in your life and in the world around you and then again, you might. To put it more simply, Mazdayasni ( Zarathushtrian Doctrine) teaches that there is a Universal Law called Asha, which governs the Cosmos and is part of God's own nature. It applies to all spheres of reality. In its ethical sphere, which is the one we deal with and influences your spiritual progress, it is Righteousness. It's the highest Good that can be achieved in any given situation. It is what ought to be and what is right.

By harmonizing our life choices to it and acquiring the Gift of Vohu Mana , The Loving Good Mind,  which helps us discern what is Asha like. We start growing and we can then acquire Serenity (Aaramaiti), which is like the peace that surpasses All circumstances. With these three we can build the Loving Good Rule of Choice,  by choosing to make  all the Aspects and Attributes of the Most Wise and Supreme Being (Ahura Mazda) rule in the circumstances of our lives and in our communities.


How do we acquire these divine Gifts? Well we choose to be righteous to have a loving and good mind , to be open to Divine Inspiration and to intuition for good, to be calm, serene and tranquil. In our world towards ourselves and others, we choose to let the Gifted Aspects and Attributes of God to rule us and our relations and societies. We choose to strive against wrong and substitute it with right. In short, we follow the path of Good Thoughts, Words and Deeds, in which good is what is Asha-like. These heals and makes Whole our lives and the lives of our communities, ushering the process of Wholeness, or Completion, which results in our being willing and able to deliver wrong unto Righteousness. Thus we can become God-like in our ethical choices and dispositions and we can acquire Immortality.

These are states we grow into, and goals we strive fo.r On the way we can also acquire Seraosha, the Guiding  Voice of Inspiration, Chisti, Intuition, Khratum, Critical thinking and ethical /spiritual discernment and Ashi, the Blessings of Choice , which are the results of our choices. This last is
interesting, because even though, it refers to blessings , wrong choices bring wrong Consequences ( Just deserts). However, even wrong consequences are to be viewed as blessings, because when properly understood, they teach us to choose better in the future.

Now to revert to Asha. To follow Asha, to learn to identify it in every possible choice, to crave it with utmost desire , to make it our own,  the very reason of our lives and to do it for its own sake, is to acquire all the other Aspects and Attributes of the Most Wise, because it is impossible to fully discern, follow and achieve Asha without them.

So the answer to your question, and I am sorry if I have taken a  little while to give it to you, but I had to, at least basically explain the process, is that a Christian, aBuddhist , a Pagan an atheist , any one who follows Asha and acquires the Gifted Aspects and attributes of Ahura, can heal and Complete him or her self and the Living World and thus achieve Immortality.

However, the process of keeping ourselves in Asha is not easy, even for those who know, understand and practice the teaching. So it can be even more difficult for those that do not. What happens to those who do not? Well in order to achieve completion one must put away wrong and substitute
it with right. If one does not, one has failed. However, Mazda is Merciful and Loving. The souls of the wrongful and of the rightful go to the Chinvat Peretu, The Bridge of Separation. This allegorical  bridge  separates The Abode of Mazda,  also called, The Best Life, Vohu Mana Demana, or the Abode of Loving Good Mind and/or Garo Demana, the Abode of Song from this world and from the Abode of Wrong.

Now these are states of mind and being and not physical places. At the Chinvat, the souls are separated. The wrongful are accused by their Ethical consciousness and cannot "cross" the Bridge , because remorse exposes them to the truth that they are wrongful and in the Best Life, there is no wrong. These souls return to the House of Wrong, This 'House" is not this  Living World, The Living World is created Good. The wrong we bring into our lives and those of others,  because of our wrong choices, does not make the world evil. It is our wrong choices and their consequences that are evil.

So where do the souls of the wrongful return to? They return to an existence, but an existence in the spirit, in another reality, where they can still choose between right and wrong and learn how to deliver wrong unto right. There is no Hell and no condemnation. We punish ourselves with deep and agonizing remorse, if we have been wrongful and we go on. Eventually, All will learn to deliver wrong unto right and all would learn that right is done for its own sake. Then all will choose it, all will be Completed, the Cosmos and this Living World will be renewed and the Power of wrong and evil
will be forever utterly destroyed.

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